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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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This is the circuit from the black mystery fuzz face. Apart from the diodes at the bottom should be caps. It seems from the photos Nick has shared that there is a pink wire from that grounds the point I have labelled (2?) I wonder what the other two pins should go to - perhaps (3?) is +9v and (2?) is ground again?

Also, I noticed from the photos Nick shared that the fuzz pot seems to have 6 lugs? The wiper of the volume goes to the fuzz pot too. Is this some kind of double stacked pot where part of the output (vol pot wiper) is fed back into the feedback circuit? (maybe to (1?) or (3?)). Unfortunately, from the photos from Nick I can't clearly make out the pins on the bottom right of the board. It seems like there is a (white) wire leading to or from pin (1?) but it is hard to see.

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how does it sound ?
or is it k.i.a...
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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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Nick wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:02 pm Didn't realise we had so many Mancunians on the forum :party:

According to my notes, Analogman worked on this pedal in 2021. Bit of a shame that he didn't use modern Omeg pots and the nice Carling DPDT with the same pin-out as the Bulgin that needed replacing.

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And no white washer...a bit of a let down :cowboy:
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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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Where did those older photos come from?
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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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Spook wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:00 pm how does it sound ?
or is it k.i.a...
It sounds good. However, having done some modelling on Falstad.com/circuit I think in it's current guise the third transistor and extra part of the circuit is not currently doing anything and so it is just a normal fuzz face circuit. I'm happy to share my circuit file if people would like to play around with where the unconnected parts may go?
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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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analogdevice wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:48 pm Where did those older photos come from?
I think Nick said above that they were sent from AnalogMan in 2021?
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I got those pics from Dustin Francis, who in turn had received them from Analogman (who was asking for advice, presumably on behalf of the then-owner).
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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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Thanks for the background! The strange side of the board is certainly a mystery. Does it look like anything was ever connected to the pins on that side? This is my attempt at a trace. The Siemens BC169 datasheet shows a BCE pinout which makes the whole thing even weirder than at first glance.
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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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That is very interesting. I think the third transistor is a bc183c though. it doesn't make much sense as it is but with the base going straight to ground it makes zero sense to me. EDIT: you might be right and this is a bc169c?

I made a simulation of the circuit on Falstrad.com/circuit you can copy the below into a file with FILENAME.circuitjs.txt to upload my circuit.

I found that grounding the collector capacitor (this is the one that looks to be grounded in the AM photos) means that when the fuzz pot is in a very specific place the third transistor will cycle through three phases, cutoff, forward active, saturation. While as before the transistor would be static, it would be saturated or cutoff depending on the fuzz pot. To get this cycling though you do need a very specific value of fuzz. (around 77Ohms).


Here you can see a nice low input voltage a cleanish signal
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Fuzz up and distortion

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Then this is the settings where I was able to get some movement from Q3. Grounding the over cap means that the base sees zero signal and I can't work out anywhere for them to go (all I can think of is that this cap went to a switch to turn on/off the third transistor and I have zero idea about the transformer/inductor)

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Below is code for Falstrad sim

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38 37 F1 3 10 1000 -1 Input\sFreq.
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Re: Show Your Fuzz Face(s)

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Science is so cool!

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